RICHARD”S THOUGHTS HERE–From a Calvinist brother in Christ (and an eminently fair one by the way) who wants the Catholic perspective on this issue. Please add your comments, and I will gladly forward the best ones on to him. So go to it folks:). This is THE major issue which separates us from Protestants. So it is worth some thoughtful answers. No attacks please. We are all brothers and sisters here if we have been baptized into Christ and are living for Him.
POST-“POSTING”-UPDATE: I wish to add to these few thoughts after the more-than-lively interactions which have gone on here!!!
First, for the clear record I do not in any way endorse the postings of one particular Catholic brother or sister named “Q,” who shared heavily in the comment thread. He/she represents a very small segment of the Church which questions the validity of the last several Popes, denies or at least strongly twists the clear understandings of post Vatican II Catholicism in general, and in the thread is somewhat prone towards personal attack when not being able to prove his or her points in other ways.
In his very last comment he used the word “effeminate” with regard to me (and we were not discussing my sexuality or past in any way), and then proceeded to quote some Marian apparitions to “prove” his point about people such as me (private revelations are something we as Catholics are never required to believe by the way, even if the Church approves them). I just found it comical that I was considered “effeminate” by him but then he defended his position by quoting Our Lady!!! Yikes.
To clarify, when the Church “approves” such visions or appearances it most certainly allows us to believe in them, but does not force us to do so, nor does it consider them part of the Deposit of Faith. In any case they do not contradict the Magisterium over and over as he does in his many slams against our brother and sister Protestant Christians here. He falsely accused me of saying or determining that they were “saved,” something I do not even say of myself, although I do know that, conditionally, if I walk in a “state of grace” and trust Jesus for my salvation I eventually will be–but it is not something I presume for them or me.
At the end the once-meaningful discussion simply began to unravel due to his continual disruptions so I have shared all I intend to at this point about this matter, either on Prayson’s page or here. My suggestion, whether you happen to be Catholic or Protestant, is to go to Prayson Daniel’s page and read the entire post, and then the comments in order–and give yourself around 30 minutes to do so. I attempted to copy most of them here but am not sure I managed to keep the continuity fully, but you surely can read them here as well if you prefer.
Some who read this right now may think I am attacking “Q” by sharing my views so candidly here–I am not. he or she is a fellow Catholic Christian who obviously is very committed to our Lord and I would take nothing away from that–not at all.
I feel however that this entire post and the thread which follows is of utmost importance, including his participation in it, and therefore wish to repost all of what was said–the good, the bad, and the ugly…and then allow the reader to make up your own minds on the matters being discussed.
With already around 60 comments, some very long and hard-hitting on all sides, the thread is closed, at least on my page, but I may possibly revisit it or parts of it at some point in the future. And again I thank Prayson Daniel for his openness in sharing, not just his views, but his Christ-like attitude. I pray we all may do as well.
When Christ said: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church” (verse 18), did He mean Peter or Peter’s confession, was the rock to which He built His church?
Leo the Great(c. 400-461 A.D.), the first Roman Catholic Pope, understood that it was Peter. This passage shows, according to Leo I, the ordination of Peter before the rest of Apostles. He wrote,
For he was ordained before the rest in such a way that from his being called the Rock, from his being pronounced the Foundation, from his being constituted the Doorkeeper of the kingdom of heaven, from his being set as the Umpire to bind and to loose, whose judgments shall retain their validity in heaven, from all these mystical titles we might know the nature of his association with Christ. (Leo 1895: 117)
An eminent Catholic theologian Ludwig Ott, following Roman Catholicism perspective, contended…
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